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jonnieboi05 · May 27, 2010, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Lost the thing you quoted, if anyone would like to refer to it, scroll up please.
My question would be if in your state or national consumer laws do not view a EULA as legally binding, would you then not be bound by that clause since you are not bound to the EULA in any form?
Perhaps we should encourage a consumer advocacy group to join this discussion. Encourage them rapidly as I'm sure the posts discussing whether EULAs are or are not legally binding will rapidly be mod-deleted for not being in the best interests of NC.

The moment you logged into your Guild Wars account and clicked "accept" to their EULA you forfeited all rights to legal capabilities that correspond to your geographic location.

Acumen · May 27, 2010, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

Ive played gw since beta and have seen what it "was". Guildwars 2 weeks ago was empty. The only reason anyone logged on today was to see if they were banned or not, no other reason. Pvp has been dead even before Bots. Pve was dead before perma sin. Who can even joke and say this game has playerbase? Aion has terrible playerbase as well but only because its full or grind and is boring beyond recognition as entertainment. I think ill stick to private servers where at least players log on to have fun not throw money at a terrible company. Anet fix your mistakes before guildwars2 or i promise you it will flop.

Of course there's fewer people playing than during the launch, that's true of any game. That doesn't mean it's not still beating out much of the competition, which is mostly also games several years old.
Your opinion of the quality of Aion, or any other game, does not make the relative number of people playing change.
I logged in to play today, as well as several hundred of my alliance mates. One of dozens of alliances with over 900 members and kick-on-inactivity rules. I've seen several hundred people playing JQ today. If I wanted to get on observer, I'm sure I could see hundreds of unique people playing pvp. I'm sure there's still several districts of RA and HA.
And that's just the people in districts, most people are actually in explorable areas, playing.

snaek · May 27, 2010, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

This post was full of ignorance. Alert the botters to your plans? The only reason bots were able to thrive is due to Anet having NO RESPONSE to the original threat alerted to them. Even if they knew you would ban them it wouldnt have changed anything. You banned players who botted 1 time when the bots were first invented. Alerting them wouldnt have changed the past, i think anets calendar is off. How can Anet claim they were working on this when months and months have gone by when all they had to do was scan for a few dll injections? I cant believe anyone on gwguru actually believes Anet can be the goodguy here. They let bots run free and to kill the player base only to perma ban whoever was left.

i agree. i didn't want to say anything earlier because i was just happy that anet did anything at all. but your right, they didn't exactly make the best decision. would a warning have been so bad? if that makes people stop botting, thats good enough for me no ban required as long as they stop. repeat offenders however, may likely be more persistent even despite a handful of them having one of their numerous accounts banned.

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BOTTING HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. The lack of forethough anet is present is astounding for a player of 5 years to witness. I bet the Dhuum animation was the hardest part of all this. Its not like Anet really cared about gw1, but its nice to see them beat a dead horse until there is nothing left.
Peace out dead game

fixed? obviously not. improved? we'll see.

Hellick Stoner · May 27, 2010, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

Hardly a surprise your thread got deleted Hellick.

So far I have seen you protesting innocence, and threatening law suits. If your innocence is real then the "send support ticket" approach will win teh day. The fact that you want to go on and on about class actions makes it look like you doubt you can win with teh innocence approach.

The reason i go on is cause i'm pissed! Just like you would be if your account got banned for something you didn't do.

Rolain · May 27, 2010, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by wind fire and ice

Lets be fair,GW isn't near big enough for them to put so much effort into stopping bots in it from the source.

Be happy they're doing something,if people really get checked out every time they're reported this will cut the bots out pretty steadily(and after a while hopefully eliminate them completely).

Also,the community would have to wait MUCH longer for any thing to change if that happened.

And if they did that they would still ban the people who already had the programs,so it would be no different for the people who are banned.

Sorry you got banned,but bad arguments are bad and you need to go get a beer and realize you're an idiot.

The only surefire way for them to stop 95% of bot action is to make the GW game less fat on the client side and put more of it on the servers. This would stop dll injection. However, it would be a huge pain in the ass to do and since GW2 is coming, not a likely choice that anet would make.

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

The moment you logged into your Guild Wars account and clicked "accept" to their EULA you forfeited all rights to legal capabilities that correspond to your geographic location.

Please re-read the last paragraph of post you quoted.

jonnieboi05 · May 27, 2010, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

The reason i go on is cause i'm pissed! Just like you would be if your account got banned for something you didn't do.

Send a report ticket here.

jonnieboi05 · May 27, 2010, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Please re-read the last paragraph of post you quoted.

And? I know what I typed. Do you want me to sing it for you?

♪ The ♪ Moment ♪ You ♪ Accepted ♪ Arena.Net's ♪ EULA ♪ You ♪Agreed ♪ To ♪ Waive ♪ Your ♪ Rights ♪ To ♪ Use ♪The ♪ Law ♪ System ♪ That ♪ Corresponds ♪ To ♪ Where ♪ You ♪ Live. ♪

Better?

wind fire and ice · May 27, 2010, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Rolain

The only surefire way for them to stop 95% of bot action is to make the GW game less fat on the client side and put more of it on the servers. This would stop dll injection. However, it would be a huge pain in the ass to do and since GW2 is coming, not a likely choice that anet would make.

Yeah,would be way too much to put into such an old game..I'd rather them put GW2 out faster rather then putting a lot of resources into GW1.

Jenn · May 27, 2010, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Huh. I was not expecting this, I'll be perfectly honest.

I had a discussion with a friend the other day with regards to various aspects of game and community development, and it was the lack of action concerning bots that stood out like a sore thumb for the both of us. With this change, I have to say my approval rating goes up quite a bit!

Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person

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Hopefully no innocent person was caught in the crossfire.

Thanks again anet for hearing and responding to the community's concerns. I hope your efforts will continue onward and it's not just a one time thing.

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

And? I know what I typed. Do you want me to sing it for you?

The. Moment. You. Accepted. Arena.Net's. EULA. You. Agreed. To. Waive. Your. Rights. To. Use. The. Law. System. That. Corresponds. To. Where. You. Live.

Better?

Please re-read again. Unless of course you work for a consumer advocacy group or practice consumer law or are a civil court judge.

NikonJustus · May 27, 2010, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Money sink titles the prestige has never been about the time to activate the gold sink, it's always been about having the initial gold to complete them.

money sink titles? They are only "money sink titles" if you choose to play that way. I used all sweets/party/drunkard items I was able to farm for myself over the last 5 years and achieved all 3 titles without spending a cent. So its all in how you choose to play.

Those that use bots don't deserve to attempt to call themselves Pro or Elite or what ever else, I have 1 main char and its a War, I have every elite armor you can get, all HoM Weapons (destroyer and tormented) 82 minis etc..... and can barely solo farm since I am a warrior, so any gold I got had to be earned over time the hard way. So I am one that has no love for botters.

The drunkard auto clicking thing I don't really see why it would be a problem since other titles like it (sweets/party) have spamable points, its not hurting the game play of others like PvP bots and bots that can potentially impact the economy, BUT if its against the rules than just don't do it.

GW is supposed to be anti grind and Titles made it exactly the opposite of that, if you want titles you have to grind unfortunately.

Its a good thing 9-rings isn't a third party app since it lets you do exactly what they say you aren't allowed to do. You can load your inventory with tickets and go to bed and when ya wake up your titles are advanced for you without any effort or input on your part.

jonnieboi05 · May 27, 2010, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Please re-read again. Unless of course you work for a consumer advocacy group or practice consumer law or are a civil court judge.

As a matter of fact I do.

What does that have anything to do with whether or not someone is educated in local, regional, national and international law?

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

As a matter of fact I do.

What does that have anything to do with whether or not someone is educated in local, regional, national and international law?

Which? 3 xtra chars

Volo · May 27, 2010, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by Travaail

i will point out for those interested: in certain countries such as the netherlands and the UK they can not legally permanently ban you do to various parts of the intellectual property laws...so i suggest pointing that out to support unless they wish to be in violation of laws. in the US i will point out that this is a viable (and has successfully litigated precedents) cause for a law suit because the game is essentially the purchase of a right to access a product and as the game is not a "pay to play" game there is no "service' according to US law which can be legally terminated. the "access" to guildwars is a solely owned (by the game purchaser) property whereas the game itself belongs to anet or whoever has the intellectual property rights..which means that termination of access is a violation of intellectual property laws..anyone who actually cares enough i would suggest contacting an intellectual property law firm. In these situations citing precedent is usually enough.

now i will say that i do not support botting or violating EULA, but only pointing out the loopholes that currently exist in IP law. (or in the case of the netherlands and UK firm laws protecting consumer rights) i'm sure arena net would highly disagree with the ideas i suggested but..the law is the law whether or not it is a just law is another story.
and yes sadly this would mean that no one could be "legally banned" in certain countries but the opinion of those nation's governing bodies was that a "lawfully and rightfully obtained product cannot be legally denied to the consumer unless in violation of law" and if the product itself was access not ownership of the game then denying access regardless of a EULA that only regards the gameplay and not the access is not lawful..

something to think about~ and if interested in possible legal recourse i suggest googling class action intellectual property rights.

ah you told me about this earlier on vent ^.^ but if what you said is true than there is nothing they can do about perma bans you. the best solution imo would be to temp ban all the bot account for a few months and wipe out the account. those account should maybe be put on a watch list so if anything suspicious actions they can ban them again & wipe out the account again.

majoho · May 27, 2010, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by Volo

ah you told me about this earlier on vent ^.^ but if what you said is true than there is nothing they can do about perma bans you. the best solution imo would be to temp ban all the bot account for a few months and wipe out the account. those account should maybe be put on a watch list so if anything suspicious actions they can ban them again & wipe out the account again.

Why should you have a second chance for KNOWINGLY botting?

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Originally Posted by Jenn

Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person

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I understand the feeling of loss as well, but no matter what people botting knew that it was wrong and they still chose to do it.

vamp08 · May 27, 2010, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Jenn

Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person

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Indeed, I hope most of the support reps can see eye-to-eye (fat chance) cause this could possibly go down as one of the biggest slap-on-the-wrist culls in the online market.

What better way to stop botting than show them that you mean business! Just, for those people, (not the pvp'ers) WTB second-chance?

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Originally Posted by majoho

Why should you have a second chance for KNOWINGLY botting?

Because the past way ANet handled botters was a joke...people knew they could get away with it. Don't sit there in front of you monitor typing morals, because the second you saw $100 on the ground you wouldn't report it to the police, it would go straight in your pocket...not caring who saw. In fact, you would actually brag to your friends that you found it.

Now that anet has established they wont take it anymore, it will largely stop and people now know it isnt tolorated. Suddenly that $100 bill got a tracking divice on it, and people WILLINGLY know that they will get caught, so they immedatley run to to station and turn-in that 100 bucks.

NeferJackal · May 27, 2010, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Most people doesnt want to admit they have cheated and trying any way of garnering support to undo what their own actions have caused. Im sorry, but ive no sympathy for people whining about being banned. If ya truly were innocently caught up, take it up with GW support.

ightgg · May 27, 2010, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by NeferJackal

Most people doesnt want to admit they have cheated and trying any way of garnering support to undo what their own actions have caused. Im sorry, but ive no sympathy for people whining about being banned. If ya truly were innocently caught up, take it up with GW support.

Yah contact the people that for months did nothing about the botting and tell them that when they finally took action they still did it wrong. Thatll work out great.

Aussie Boy · May 27, 2010, 04:42 AM // 04:42

It's great to see Anet getting all the botters and such but really after all is said and done
Anet will get 3000+ new accounts Sold in the next few days I bet.